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Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold
Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold
GameDaily Biz - December 10, 2007
Submitted by feelmyring (351) at 9:21PM PST on December 10, 2007
"Microsoft has confirmed to GameDaily BIZ that BioWare's critically acclaimed RPG is off to a red hot start with one million copies sold [WW] in less than three weeks."
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3feelmyring posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 6:13PM PST on December 12, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@apujanata,
Don't worry about it, man. Nuance gets lost in the Internet. You SHOULD be trying to influence the market, though. If you feel something is overpriced, say it, especially if it's backed by logic. Hell, even if it's not, sometimes it works.[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 351 ]bids
1apujanata posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 3:40PM PST on December 12, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@feelmyring,
The way I read your post "you'll have to find new and creative ways to repeat the same logic many many times" is that you don't agree with my double post, and feel that I am trying to influence the market. After reading your latest comment, and re-reading your previous post, it seems that I read too much into your previous post.
My apology to you, on wrong assumption.
Re : Bioshock, I agree with you.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
2chill21genlee posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 7:50AM PST on December 12, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@feelmyring,
It seems to me the main point is that this article and the figures contained therein are all but worthless, as they don't qualify their figures by stipulating shipped/sold or the region/regions they are referring to. This is typical hype marketing, and is used as a psychological "everyone else is buying it, so you should too" come on.
And while the statistics may be "technically" based upon factual data, the scope of the data itself is intentionally kept fuzzy. They want you to feel the impact of the BIG NUMBERS, plain and simple. So, I took a beating on my short yesterday thanks to this hype BS, but I, alongside a host of other quality traders, will be vindicated when the data is released and we get cashed out!! Everyone can pontificate, reason, and rant... but at the end of the day the results are the only true measure of the validity of your stance![ Veteran ] [ Level 8 ] [ Rank: 1204 ]bids
3feelmyring posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 6:48AM PST on December 12, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@apujanata,
Where are you getting this from? I don't want to discourage discourse, especially when it's backed by logic, since there's far too little of that around here. It doesn't matter that I think you're making some pretty flawed assumptions; that's what my bids are in there for. You've made your argument, and made it well. My point was: on this website, you're going to have to restate your opinion many times, many ways, to get it heard, until you demonstrate that your voice has merit. Merit usually translates into rank, but not always.
I was disbelieved when I said that BioShock shouldn't be trading at 330DKP, but then when the sales figures came out to back up what I'd been saying, people started asking where I thought the stock should be. So who knows?[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 351 ]bids
1apujanata posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 2:03AM PST on December 12, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@Just_Ben,
I have high confidence in the possibility of getting profit from my Mass Effect investment. I'll find out whether I'm right or wrong in 24 hours, as you said.
To feelmyring,
I'm sorry if you think that my post is a "hidden" or "stealth" attempt to lower the ME price. I'll refrain from posting any comment in the future, since the culture in this place seems to "hate" or "discourage" discussion and analysis.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
1Just_Ben posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 1:33AM PST on December 12, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@apujanata,
That can happen, but you have only two ways at the moment: Get yourself in the middle of a price war or put it on hold, cashout should be in about 24 hours, so you don't have to hold long.[ Oracle ] [ Level 21 ] [ Rank: 112 ]bids
4feelmyring posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 10:02PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@apujanata,
You're fine. Believe me, you'll have to find new and creative ways to repeat the same logic many many times, as you get farther into The Sim Exchange. The only way to get your word out there is to repeat yourself a lot. Maybe not verbatim like in this case, but you'll be arguing the same point over and over again, probably.[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 351 ]bids
1Arbiter posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 6:17PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@apujanata, lol, there are always would've could've should'ves when it comes to the stock market. I bet 90% of the world is thinking they should've sold, hedged or shorted before the Fed decision today.[ Guru ] [ Level 21 ] [ Rank: 159 ]bids
2apujanata posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 4:32PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@GoblinMerchant,
I wish I hadn't shorted Mass Effect to the max so soon. If I do it today, instead of last week (at 33.7 Price Point), I could really make a very big profit. :([ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
1GoblinMerchant posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 4:04PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@apujanata, I think your cool...people should figure out what happened.[ Guru ] [ Level 21 ] [ Rank: 260 ]bids
1GoblinMerchant posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 4:03PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Soldbids
1apujanata posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 4:02PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@feelmyring,
Thanks for helping me out. Do you think I should remove one of them ? If yes, which one ? The one in this article, or the one in the main Mass Effect comment ? I wanted to reach as many people as possible, and I don't want people to think that I am trying to double post, or earn lots of DKP from my multiple comment.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
2feelmyring posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 3:59PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@apujanata,
You posted it here. It didn't disappear, it was just in the main Mass Effect comments, not the comments for this article.[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 351 ]bids
2apujanata posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 3:54PM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies SoldI have posted this comment before, but for whatever reason, it disappeared. I am reposting it again, since I think it is quite important :
Don't forget that US NPD Nov 07 (does not include Canada) only cover November 4 - December 1.
From IGN :
Mass effect is released Nov 20 in US (only 2 weeks for US), Nov 22 in Australia (not covered by NPD US), Nov 23 in Europe (not covered by NPD).
Since 1 Milion is for WW, and it is 3 weeks figure (not two weeks for NPD Nov 07), and since we are not sure whether it is shipped (usual MSFT reference) or sold to (NPD reference), it is quite dangerous to assume too high a sales # for mass effect. A lot of DKP can be burned/lost if you estimate too high.
If you assume 40% US, 40% Europe, and 20% for the remaining region (CAnada + Australia + Singapore etc), and assuming 80% of Mass Effect is done on the first 2 weeks (front loaded), and assuming that the 1 Million figure is shipped figure, not sold figure, and using 80% sold through figure, then the US figure can be only as high as = 80% (for two weeks) x 80% (convert shipped to sold) x 40% (for US only) x 1 Million = 256K.
You can change the calculation to percentage that you are comfortable with, and change your bidding / position accordingly.
Additional note : I believe that the "less than 3 weeks" mentioned in the article is using Nov 20 - Dec 8, because :
- it is less than 21 days (3 weeks)
- IIRC, sales are usually tracked each week, with Saturday as the usual cut-off date.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
3feelmyring posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 10:01AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@Alpha,
I would tend to think that this is sold to consumers, if for nothing else than the fact that Mass Effect is a AAA game. I would have thought it odd if they'd not shipped out a million copies for the first month of release. I think sold means sold, not shipped.[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 351 ]bids
2Alpha posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 9:48AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@chill21genlee, additionally, is there any indication if this is "sold to retailers" or "sell through to consumers?" This makes a big difference.
For those who have been here for a while, remember how God of War II was bid up based on the press release of 1 million or so preorders, but the actual NPD numbers were much lower. It turned out those numbers were just sold to retailers.[ Guru ] [ Level 21 ] [ Rank: 173 ]bids
2chill21genlee posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 7:35AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@Making_Waves,
Exactly... if those figures were US only, he would have proudly declared it. The fact that he wouldn't say makes it almost certain that they were global figures. This future is now artificially inflating.. unless VGC's numbers are completely out of line, it won't be anywhere near 1 million. Not to mention the fact that their stats are including Canada, which usually inflates their figures anywhere between 8 and 15% above US only sales figures[ Veteran ] [ Level 8 ] [ Rank: 1204 ]bids
2Making_Waves posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 3:26AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Soldbids
2Just_Ben posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 3:06AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Soldbids
1Just_Ben posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 2:00AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@ixaarii,
Yes, of course. Microsoft seems to get the numbers from their top retailers (meaning the Top 3-5) of sold to customers and extrapolate them given on history, at least thats what they often state in Press releases. So far Microsoft numbers where close to NPD (+-15%). Thats a good error range for that kind of sample.[ Oracle ] [ Level 21 ] [ Rank: 112 ]bids
1ixaarii posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 1:28AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@Just_Ben,
I hope i know the answer, but just to make sure: NPD has a more clear "sold to consumers" view, right?[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 444 ]bids
1Just_Ben posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 12:39AM PST on December 11, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@Gaara42,
Its microsoft, they seem to have a rough view on sold to customers (seen by their published Halo Numbers in the first weeks). So could be sold to customers, could be sold to retailers. But both are quite impressing for that game.
The game seems to be quite solid, so I have no doubt it will have legs. It could bet Gears overall.[ Oracle ] [ Level 21 ] [ Rank: 112 ]bids
1Gaara42 posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 10:27PM PST on December 10, 2007. RE: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold@feelmyring,
When they say 'sold' in the article, do they mean to consumers or to retailers? They don't specify.[ Oracle ] [ Level 23 ] [ Rank: 8 ]bids
51feelmyring posted on Mass Effect (Xbox 360) at 9:21PM PST on December 10, 2007. Article: Mass Effect Amasses One Million Copies Sold
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