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Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months
Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months
Kotaku - May 21, 2008
Submitted by Mushashi (5) at 4:42PM PST on May 21, 2008
More games were purchased in the first 18 months of the Wii's life than any other console's first year and a half, Nintendo said today.
About 50 million games were sold for the Wii in its first 18 months, compared to about 42 million games in the first 18 months of the PS2. The Xbox 360 came in at 30 million or so, the Xbox at roughly 28 million and finally the PS3 at about 20 million.
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1apujanata posted on Wii (Wii) at 4:26PM PST on May 22, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@vGInfidel,
It seems that you and I are both reading between the lines / misinterpret text too much.
You with your "fill this up yourself" text that you think call you a fanboy (while I did not mean it in that way, I meant it as "fill this up yourself, reader", not "fill this up yourself, VGInfidel"), and me with my interpretation of "NDF by any chance :P".
I am sorry that I misread / misunderstood your post meaning, and I apologize for jumping into wrong conclusion. I am someone who is known as "lacking sense of humour / joke", since I have difficulty determining whether a post is a joke or not (I always assume all post are serious).
I agree with you that all PR put the best facet of their business forward, and no company will put things like : "we have the best tie ratio, but our machine have worst reliability" or "we have most software sales, but our figure include Wii Play, because without Wii Play our figure is less than PS2".
I still didn't agree with you on whether Wii Play should be included or not, but let's put an end to that part, and agree to disagree.
"it is the full priced that really matter that can be compared". With this sentence, are you saying that the Platinum / Best series games should not be counted ?
Example (for illustration, figure not correct) : There are 1 Million Hot Shot Golf 5 sold at $ 60 price. 12 month later, Sony release "PS3 the best" version of HSG5 at $ 30 price, and have sales of 500K. Should Sony calculate HSG5 as 1 Million (just full price version) or 1.5 Million (full price + best version price) ? If I read it right, you are thinking that the lowered MSRP shouldn't be part of the calculation.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
1tyrile posted on Wii (Wii) at 2:44AM PST on May 22, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@vGInfidel,
Looking at the hardware Numbers Nintendo posted, it can only be America[ Oracle ] [ Level 18 ] [ Rank: 511 ]bids
1vGInfidel posted on Wii (Wii) at 2:24AM PST on May 22, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Monthsbids
1tyrile posted on Wii (Wii) at 1:56AM PST on May 22, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@vGInfidel,
First of all, I do agree with you that Wii Play should be handled separately (or, at least, they should mention how much of the 50 million Wii Play was).
But I might have an answer to that question:
"But how Nintendo's and MS's numbers dont add up in terms of the proclaimed hardware/ software ratios. Where MS claims a much higher ratio than the Wii so should be higher in overall sales, and at least not almost half. One or both companies are obviously spinning the figures as always. (I know the measure is the first 18months which contributes to part of the discrepancy)"
I don't know if I got you wrong here, but I think you are referring to the high attach-rate MS is claiming which wouldn't make sense if Nintendo's claims are true. But I think it actually is possible Nintendo sold that much software and at the same time MS can have a higher attach-rate, simply because Nintendo sold an awful lot more hardware than MS, thus the attach-rate is not as high even though they sold more software.[ Oracle ] [ Level 18 ] [ Rank: 511 ]bids
1vGInfidel posted on Wii (Wii) at 12:38AM PST on May 22, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@apujanata,
The NDF was a joke, hence the :p after it, and then the reasoned arguement that goes on to say that i agree with you to some extent and that i dont think you are a fanboy. I would have thought you would realised this, Im NOT calling you a fanboy.
(- On a side note why can no one on this site lighten up a little, as no one seems to get any attempt at a little joke on the rare occassions one is made.)
The impression that i got of you thinking im a fanboy to a small extent came from this
"The only one asked to do this is only Nintendo, and it is only because people are always attacking Nintendo :
- Wii H/W is selling well, but ... (insert your favorite but here).
- Wii S/W is selling well, but ... (fill this up yourself). "
That is a typical anti-Nintendo fanboy comment (as you rightly pointed out) and by suggesting that i would fill it in is giving the impression, to me at least, that you are likening me to a fanboy who would fill it in. I then simply pointed out the reasons why i wasnt a fanboy at all.
My issues with the numbers are not only with Wii play; i feel that a cheap add on to selling a controller does not count as a game as such, and i believe it skews figures that relate to fully priced games. (and yes MS or Sony would add them to their figures as they are ALL just as bad as each other for spinning the data) But how Nintendo's and MS's numbers dont add up in terms of the proclaimed hardware/ software ratios. Where MS claims a much higher ratio than the Wii so should be higher in overall sales, and at least not almost half. One or both companies are obviously spinning the figures as always. (I know the measure is the first 18months which contributes to part of the discrepancy)
I of course know there is no normal figure as everyone has a subjective opinion which is why i put it as 'normal' and didnt feel the need to explain myself any further as it was i thought obvious; especially as it was 2am. I was refering to normal as within a broad bound of expectability.
I don't think it is neccessarily 'wrong' or 'unfair' for Nintendo to include this in their number as it is clearly PR and it is to be expected that they would, but that more disclosure on the figures would help us as participants in a prediction market.
Your first post came across, to me from my subjective viewpoint at least, as very aggressive in its defense of Nintendo, whether that be for supporting them or just a general defense about getting your "apple to apple" comparison, which is why i made the joke about you being a fanboy.
In my view to get a truly "apple to apple" comparison Wii play should be discarded so that it is the full priced games that really matter that can be compared.[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
2apujanata posted on Wii (Wii) at 7:11PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@vGInfidel,
So, because I was annoyed at all those 3rd party vs 1st party questions, I am a Nintendo fanboy ? I am now NDF ? Really ? Did you ever see me accusing you as Microsoft fanboy ? Xbot ? Since I didn't think of you as MS fanboy nor Xbot, shouldn't you also refrain from calling me / questioning me as "fanboy" or "NDF" ?
To answer the previously unanswered question regarding Wii Play, I found this. I don't know how reliable this info is, so you can ignore the "Without Wii Play it´s 44.529.243" sentence if you don't believe it.
You said "Sony and Microsoft have 'normal' of first and third party". This is the party that I don't agree. What is normal for you might not be normal for other. My "normal" definition of rich would be different than your "normal" definition of rich.
Even Microsoft "normal" is different between X360 and XBOX, since they have different # of 1st party developer on XBOX and X360.
Personally, I don't think my comment is fanboyish, but if you feel that way, I couldn't do anything about it.
I don't believe it is "fair" for anyone to ask for Wii Play to be excluded from the 50 Million #, and that is the major point of my comment.
FYI, I didn't really care whether Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft win the console wars. I only care about getting "fact", and "apple to apple" comparison, for any company (be it Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft).[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
2vGInfidel posted on Wii (Wii) at 5:34PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@apujanata,
NDF by any chance? :p
I know you support the Wii as it is your console of choice and I support the 360 as it is my console of choice but i wasnt being fanboyish. Admittedly personally the Wii does not appeal to me but i still respect Nintendo in a way as a business, for how they are appealing to this new audience and making tons of money in the process. I was just commenting on how much of this is PR spin that ALL the companies are liable for. I do not care who 'wins' this generation on whatever basis, all i care about his having great games to play.
And yes i would find how many of these 50million are 3rd party to see just how the numbers stack up. Sony and Microsoft have 'normal' ratios of first and third party so they are of little interest. The fact that Nintendo does dominate the Wii's software sales (and your response confirms this to be an issue) means that to me it would be interesting in seeing just how bad 3rd party are doing on the Wii or whether Nintendo's first party dominance is being over stated a little.
Your post was imo, a very fanboyish response, and im sure from reading your various other posts you do not want to come across in that way. I would suggest not taking an off hand comment about PR spin so seriously next time and jumping to Nintendos rescue, their numbers speak for themselves so you dont have to :)[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
1apujanata posted on Wii (Wii) at 5:15PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@vGInfidel,
Even IF we put Wii Play at 9.5 Million (same amount of H/W sold during that same period), the total is still 40.5 Million, only 1.5 Million less than PS2, and still way over X360, XBOX and PS3. Coming from GC, this 40 Million + is still a massive success.
I don't know why you find it interesting to break those figure down to 3rd party and 1st party. We all know that Nintendo's 1st party are way stronger than Sony's and Microsoft's, and I didn't see any person asking for Sony or Microsoft to break down their total # into 3rd party and 1st party. The only one asked to do this is only Nintendo, and it is only because people are always attacking Nintendo :
- Wii H/W is selling well, but ... (insert your favorite but here).
- Wii S/W is selling well, but ... (fill this up yourself).
Dont' forget that excluding Wii Play is "NOT APPLE to APPLE" comparison. Whose fault is it that PS2, X360, PS3, XBOX didn't have controller + game, like Wii did ? PS4 and X720 are welcomed to have their own "controller + game" S/W during launch, and I am sure Sony or Microsoft are going to include that game into their total S/W tally.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
1vGInfidel posted on Wii (Wii) at 5:08PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@Mushashi,
So Wii Play is still counted, if it wasnt im sure they would have pointed it out along with Wii Sports to quash this doubt instantly. Technically Wii Play is still a game and sold in a box at retail, even if it is only a $10 add on to buying a controller.[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
1Mushashi posted on Wii (Wii) at 4:53PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@vGInfidel,
In the article:
Update: I just clarified with Nintendo: Those software sales numbers only include boxed games sold at retail and not virtual console or Wii Sports.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 5 ]bids
1Laoldar posted on Wii (Wii) at 4:51PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@Mushashi,
I wonder how other companies are going to spin this, it flies in the face of all the "Wii owners don't buy games" comments.
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1vGInfidel posted on Wii (Wii) at 4:51PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 Months@Mushashi,
Just how many of these 50million are Wii Play is the question. Likely to be quite alot id imagine as we all know how these companies like to put their own spin on the figures. How about telling us how many real games have been sold Nintendo? or at least break that figure down for us a little.
Would be intersting to see just how many of those 50million came from 3rd party developers and not Nintendo themselves as well.[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
1Mushashi posted on Wii (Wii) at 4:45PM PST on May 21, 2008. RE: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 MonthsCammie Dunaway, executive vice president of sales and marketing for Nintendo of America also gave hardware sales for first 18 months:
About 9.5 million Wii were sold in the first 18 months, 8.5 million PS2, 5.4 million Xbox 360, 5.2 million Xbox and 4.2 Playstation 3.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 5 ]bids
26Mushashi posted on Wii (Wii) at 4:42PM PST on May 21, 2008. Article: Nintendo: Wii Has Highest Software Sales for First 18 MonthsMore games were purchased in the first 18 months of the Wii's life than any other console's first year and a half, Nintendo said today. About 50 million games were sold for the Wii in its first 18 months, compared to about 42 million games in the first 18 months of the PS2. The Xbox 360 came in at 30 million or so, the Xbox at roughly 28 million and finally the PS3 at about 20 million.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 5 ]
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Fair enough, im sorry if you took my joke the wrong way too :). The internet doesnt convey the way that a comment is put across (which is its real meaning) too well.
I think that Wii Play should not be counted as it is only $10. Platinum releases like you suggested are still $30. There is a very big difference there and that difference changes the way the consumer thinks. A $10 spend is a spur of the moment thing to all, especially as its packed in with the Wiimote and only another $10 on top, not many people who are buying a second control will think twice about adding that to their purchase. Where as even a $30 price tag changes the way the majority of consumers think and takes it out of that instantanious buy mentality. So i dont think that sales at lowered retail prices should be taken out of the equation, its when they start at that ridiculously low retail price that i have an issue with as i believe all it does it provide PR and skew figures.
(It think it would be interesting to see how many and at what price point games have sold though, too see what kind of legs a game has and to find its true average market value.)
Some may say that Wii Play is a basic game with a clever marketing stratedgy, personally i think its an overpriced tacked on demo, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree :)