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Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday
Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday
kotaku - June 8, 2008
Submitted by felipedmoreira (378) at 12:16PM PST on June 8, 2008
We have no confirmation or sourcing of our own on this, so, we don't vouch for its accuracy. But we will be watching the clock at 10 am Crecente time tomorrow, as CrunchGear is rumormongering that Microsoft will announce Blu-Ray Xboxes will be shipping by Christmas, at that time. Rumor has it they'll cost less than an Elite
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1apujanata posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 6:53PM PST on June 11, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@vGInfidel,
£40 for a controller is too expensive. I got Wii-mote for only $ 50 (slightly higher than US price of $40). I don't know whose fault that "gouging" price is (is it NOE, or is it retailer in UK, or just UK market price) ? How much you paid for X360 or PS3 controller in UK ?
I don't think 5 year olds can play (and win) online Mario Kart. 7 years old maybe (9 years old definitely, like my 9 year old son beating me on MK Wii), but it take a "precocious" 5 year olds to be able to play (and win) online Mario Kart. Just playing (without winning) for 5 years old is possible (IMO).[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 14935 ]bids
2vGInfidel posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 5:50PM PST on June 11, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@mrahaju,
Im not suggesting that Nintendo's build quality is bad, just that as they are using old technology unlike the PS3/360 so the production costs are alot lower and yet it still has a fairly high price point (360 Arcade is cheaper). Although obviously with it selling like ot cakes theres no incentive to drop it and that would likely cause more supply problems so of course Nintendo wont do that. Also the price of accessories is extortionate, £40 ($80) for an extra controller!
I was also more comparing XBL to PSN as they are much more similar networks with more freedom and rivals. Unlike Nintendo's service which as you say is much more restrictive, and rightfully so as they cater for the younger audience. 5 year olds playing something like Mario Kart on XBL would be completely inappropriate.
And of course as a parent it is your duty to protect your children as long as when the time is right you allow them more freedom. Guide them, but once they're old enough let them make their own mistakes, its the only way us kids learn :)[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
2mrahaju posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 5:26PM PST on June 11, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@vGInfidel,
"low production costs and high prices, and i dont blame them tbh"
I don't agree with low production cost, since it implied that things break down easily, and in my experience, Nintendo's Hardware didn't break easily. I agree with high prices, which is a relative point of view (if you don't feel the worth, it is high prices. If you think it is worthy, you don't think it is high prices).
"(Yes i know that XboxLive has a subscription fee where as PSN doesnt but i happily pay that fee as the service is generally so good and from my view completely worth it. I would much rather pay for XBL than have to put up with PSN.)"
IMO, I am happy with Nintendo's free online service for Mario Kart Wii, so my son can play online without me having to pay a monthly fee. I am even more happy with the friend code restriction Nintendo have, so I can control my son's online experience (especially after hearing the horror of XBOX Live online experience from internet and my friend).
As a youngster, you might prefer paying XBOX Live monthly fee. As parent, I prefer Free online and full control by me. Too much freedom in youngster this day bring them drugs, free sex etc. You might not agree with my latest statement, but as a parent with three children, I believe it is my duty to protect (just not control) my children. Which is why IF there is X360 and PS3 in my household, I would definitely not allow my children to go online with it (just like I didn't allow my children to access internet through PC without my supervision / accompanied by me).[ Oracle ] [ Level 23 ] [ Rank: 9 ]bids
2vGInfidel posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 11:17AM PST on June 11, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Bobuido,
You may hate Microsoft for whatever reason but stating your beliefs on this forum in a completely over the top way when it is unneccessary and in a fairly unrelated topic is in my mind trolling. There is no need for it in my opinion, if you wish to express yourself in future do so in a relevant topic when its justified and this issue will be avoided.
But lets look at your arguement a little deeper, i will focus on the console side not operating systems. Microsoft rushed the 360 out of the door to get ahead of its competitors and in hindsight this was a bad decision with the whole RRoD affair, both for the consumers, and MS who have lost alot of money themselves. But i would not say they milk consumers out of their money any more so than other companies especially not Sony or Nintendo.
If you remember Sony put the PS3 at a ridiculously high pricepoint because of the higher produuction costs of blu-ray, a format they were forcing on the consumer. At least with MS they gave consumers the option with an external drive whether or not to adopt a HD movie format. This proved to be the wrong move as Sony by forcing the format through with the PS3 came out as the format winner.
Nintendo charge ridiculous amounts for their accessories. My sister recently brought a Wii and once she'd payed for an extra controller a game and other accessories it cost her about £300 ($600) add to that Wii Fit which is £70 ($140) its a lot of money, especially to a casual gamer. They are milking the casual market completely, with low production costs and high prices, and i dont blame them tbh.
How are Sony being innovative this gen? MS have evolved the XboxLive experience and the face of the harder core gaming along with it. Nintendo have transformed the casual market with motion controls. Sony are split between the two and have tried to copy both, to currently poor standards.
(Yes i know that XboxLive has a subscription fee where as PSN doesnt but i happily pay that fee as the service is generally so good and from my view completely worth it. I would much rather pay for XBL than have to put up with PSN.)
To Sony's credit the PS3 is very reliable and a solid piece of kit. Where as MS rushed and did not test the 360 enough and caused the RRoD debacle, although to suggest this has been more profitable for them is ridiculous. The $1 billion in repairs not to mention the amount of consumers they have lost due to low confidence more than covers any profit they gained from releasing early.[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
1lstormy10 posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 6:26AM PST on June 11, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Bobuido,
Just to answer the first question you have in your comment: The people who would buy an add-on Blu-Ray 360 drive would be those that either already own a 360 or those that have yet to buy a 360, but will because of games software and will add-on a Blu-Ray drive later down the road. They would not be silly to add one as it would be cheaper than buying a dedicated player or PS3.[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 294 ]bids
2Bobuido posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 5:23AM PST on June 11, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Joe80,
Yeah I suppose you're right Joe80. That being the case, who would buy an add on Blu Ray 360 Drive when they could just buy a PS3? If no games appeared on the format, you'd be silly to get the add on. (If one existed)
Not every company milks their customers. I think you'll find quite a lot of SMEs doing quite the opposite and if you want a bigger example, how about Canonical Ltd?
Yes I did vote with my feet. I bought a PS3 and a Wii but not a 360. I have XP but barely use it and was chosen for me by the retailer. Ubuntu is what I use 99% of the time.
Why would I want to buy something from someone who rushes everything and never innovates? MS could easily make quality software / hardware but it's just more profitable to make it quickly and get it out the door. Why consumers support them is beyond me. Perhaps they're blinded by all the mass marketing. Who cares about the product right. It's all about the profit. Sustain the monopolies and spread the FUD. Capitalise on people's ignorance. That's just the MS way.
I'm not a troll, just a MS hater and a FOSS advocate who doesn't want to see console gaming end up like PC desktop / gaming. Is that so wrong? Someone has to point out how **** they are...right?
Or should I just get my coat?[ Contributor ] [ Level 19 ] [ Rank: 467 ]bids
2Animate posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 7:03PM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Bobuido,
It would be incredibly stupid for MS to have any games on BD, when they have sold ~19 million consoles and growth of their userbase is very small recently. Even if they tried to have games released on both DVD and BD at the same time, it would confuse retailers and customers. I'm not saying it could not happen, its just extremely unlikely.[ Oracle ] [ Level 26 ] [ Rank: 241 ]bids
1Animate posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 7:00PM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@vGInfidel,
Yes, they do, but MS does moreso than Sony or Nintendo, although Nintendo is becoming more like MS.
Yes Sony also has more than 1 SKU, but they don't differ dramatically, like MS does with the 360 SKUs.
With the 360 you have to pay $100 extra for wifi, $20-$30 for a rechargeable battery setup, ridiculous harddrive prices, high-def video via disc requires additional add on purchase or buying a new 360, pay for online that does not have dedicated servers, etc.
So say you only have wireless internet, you'd have to pay $380 for an Arcade, $450 for a Pro, $550 for an Elite. Add a rechargeable battery setup, and those become $400-410, $470-480, $570-580.
Here's a scenario:
$350 Pro + wifi = $450 + battery $20-30 = $470-480 + 1 year of Live $50 = $520-530
Had you bought the HDDVD $180 = $700-710
Probably will end up buying another 3-4 years of Live so $150-$200 = $850-$910
This does not include any games or repair, warranty, or service plan costs that are basically a necessity until only recently perhaps. Some even have to buy a brand new 360. And we haven't even talked about someone who might get the supposed Bluray 360.
How would PS3 compare? $400-$500 (using current prices just as I did with 360). Add a better cable (HDMI or component) $5-$50 =$410-$550. Much less $ and much less areas where you will be milked.[ Oracle ] [ Level 26 ] [ Rank: 241 ]bids
1mrahaju posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 6:04PM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@vGInfidel,
Like you said, every company like to "milk" teir customers for money. Every accessories, since the time of SNES, are overpriced.
About choices, I don't consider color choices as choice, but I am sure some people do consider them as "choices". I think Sony's choice are not as bad as Microsoft's choices, since we can buy cheap, OEM or branded HD, and install them ourself, while Microsoft "force us" to buy it from them at inflated price.
However, when I buy a console, I always take them as a whole, the good and the bad things. Should I feel taken advantage of, I would just stop buying game for it, sell the console, and do my gaming on other platform. I won't do a "rant and rave" on internet forum. I always vote with my money, the easiest way to let company know whether I like their offering or not.[ Oracle ] [ Level 23 ] [ Rank: 9 ]bids
1vGInfidel posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 5:17PM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Bobuido,
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."
Seems your post fits the description, at least in my opinion. All the article is, is just a rumour and you take it as MS are completely ripping off the 20million 360 owners by bringing out a new upgraded model. When,
1. it is just a rumour
2. it has been denied by Robert Bach today
3. games wouldnt be placed on blu-ray anyway so they are ripping off no one.
Your post was completely out of proportion and unneccessary, simply you venting your thoughts on the 'evil' MS when it really isnt related.
You have posted controversialy and fairly irrelevantly on an internet forum to disrupt on topic conversation. Seems your post fits the bill this time, at least in my opinion.
Theres no need for it, so in future id suggest being a little more tactful because im grateful to say that this is one internet forum that is relatively troll free and i hope it stays that way.[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
-1Bobuido posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 4:57PM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Joe80,
Why no games on BD Joe?
You may agree with me but everyone else here seems to hate this MS hater. Maybe they think I'm a Sony / Nintendo fan boy again...Or maybe I am one... I do have a Wii and PS3... could I be? Is there some sort of test I can do? Will they banish me from here if there is indeed a test and the test comes back positive?
What you have to remember is corporations are all corpationy...and they make money. I could even be a communist and not know it!
Worrying times...oh yeah what's a troll again? I looked it up a couple of years ago so I'm a little hazy. Something like... goading people and wasting their time... but doesn't wasting my own time ranting negate that? I apologise if I was trolling. Perhaps this small archway I'm near is acting like a bridge.
Your thoughts?[ Contributor ] [ Level 19 ] [ Rank: 467 ]bids
1vGInfidel posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 2:04PM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Joe80,
Dont all companies try to milk their customers for money? Nintendo charge ridiculous amounts for their extra controllers (£40) and Sony also offer choice with their differing 20/40/60/80GB PS3's with varying features. Not to mention the new models they bring out like the DS Lite and Slim PS2. The companies will try to get as much money as possible out of the consumer and that is the way it has always been and probably forever will.[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
2Animate posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 1:36PM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Mondaybids
2vGInfidel posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 8:40AM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Bobuido,
Could you please stop trolling against Microsoft, its a company, its aim is to make money. It offers the consumer choice as it feels that is the best way to make money. They are not going to make consumers buy a second console as they wont allow developers to make games on blu-ray, it will be for films only.[ Oracle ] [ Level 22 ] [ Rank: 150 ]bids
1Mushashi posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 6:57AM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Mondaybids
1welshbloke posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 5:48AM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Bobuido,
It is unlikely that MS will open up the Blu-Ray or for that matter the HDDVD drives for use with games.
As for models Microsoft to my mind only have 3, the Core, The Pro and the Elite. Yes they have had different incarnations of the same theme but they pretty much have always had the 3 models (Bundles aside).
If MS were to adopt the Blu-Ray it would be nice to see it form part of a future Elite SKU as that is primarily aimed at the top end market and has worked well for MS.
My money is always on choice and I see MS offering choice letting the consumer decide what they need before they buy. So with that same ethos in mind I hope they also as they did with the HDDVD offer a cheap external drive.[ Oracle ] [ Level 30 ] [ Rank: 60 ]bids
-3Bobuido posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 4:40AM PST on June 9, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on MondayThis will be both confusing and annoying for current 360 owners. Say the new GTA comes out only on Blu Ray. You have to either buy the same console twice, or an overpriced add-on. Great! Bleed us dry MS!
MS are a joke. They make crappy cut down versions to suck people in and bring out all these expensive add-ons / accessories.
How many versions of the same console will there be now? Pathetic. Just like the six faces of Vista[ Contributor ] [ Level 19 ] [ Rank: 467 ]bids
1Animate posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 9:56PM PST on June 8, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@lstormy10,
I believe MS has to pay Sony to be able to license the Bluray technology, right? Sony owns that I thought, separate from MS paying for a manufacturing license.[ Oracle ] [ Level 26 ] [ Rank: 241 ]bids
1lstormy10 posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 8:22PM PST on June 8, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@Joe80,
Everyone already involved in Blu-Ray would benefit too as direct Microsoft support for Blu-Ray would put more momentum into consumer adoption of the format. Sony would benefit somewhat from that, but not a whole ton as they would not get the manufacturing license for the 360 Blu-Ray drive and they have other competitors in the areas you mentioned.
Overall, Microsoft adding internal Blu-Ray to the 360 would 100% beneficial to the Blu-Ray format. And I don't see that it would do anything other than help 360 sales by tapping into the market of people looking for cheap Blu-Ray players (prices have not been declining much anymore with the lack of competition from HD-DVD, but a Blu-Ray 360 would bring more direct price competition between the PS3 and 360 - leading to lower Blu-Ray player prices overall).[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 294 ]bids
1Animate posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 7:30PM PST on June 8, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@lstormy10,
Sony would probably be happy to see MS do Bluray because it will make them some good money. Even if it hurts Sony in the videogame market, it will be more than worth it for what they gain in the Bluray market. When I state Bluray market I mean movies, storage, computers, etc.[ Oracle ] [ Level 26 ] [ Rank: 241 ]bids
1lstormy10 posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 5:02PM PST on June 8, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@tyrile,
The Blu-Ray Disc Association has the rights. Sony is part of the association and the association has stated previously that they would welcome Microsoft into it even if Sony got mad. To be put simply: Sony does not have control over Blu-Ray - it is merely a manufacturer of products that use it. Microsoft would just go with a different manufacturer of Blu-Ray drives.
Here are some statements from the Blu-Ray Disc Association spokesman, Frank Simonis:
"Microsoft could easily put Blu-Ray inside the Xbox," said Simonis. "From my understanding Microsoft did an early evaluation and the Xbox has a similar processor to the PS3 so it will be perfectly capable of decoding a Blu-Ray disc."
"Sony has nothing to say on this. The BDA is an open organization and no one company is in charge of it. It's irrelevant whether Sony would be happy about Microsoft joining up, because it wouldn't have a say," said Simonis.[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 294 ]bids
1tyrile posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 1:47PM PST on June 8, 2008. RE: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on Monday@felipedmoreira,
Is Sony the company MS has to ask for the rights to built Blu-ray players into their console or does someone else have the rights? If its Sony, and the new SKU will be cheaper than the Elite, they either have a pricecut planned that kicks in before Christmas aswell... or they are just stupid for selling the technology that cheap..[ Oracle ] [ Level 18 ] [ Rank: 511 ]bids
15felipedmoreira posted on Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) at 12:16PM PST on June 8, 2008. Article: Rumor: Microsoft to Announce Blu-Ray Xbox on MondayWe have no confirmation or sourcing of our own on this, so, we don't vouch for its accuracy. But we will be watching the clock at 10 am Crecente time tomorrow, as CrunchGear is rumormongering that Microsoft will announce Blu-Ray Xboxes will be shipping by Christmas, at that time. Rumor has it they'll cost less than an Elite[ Oracle ] [ Level 20 ] [ Rank: 378 ]
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If you want an, albeit simple, example of innovation from Sony; How about the ability to install Ubuntu on it or the ability to upgrade the hard drive in it. Hardly a stroke of genius but a much welcomed addition nonetheless.
A HD format was inevitable and here's the value you get in the PS3:
HD video player
Decent HD
Gaming box
Optional Linux powered general purpose computer
Wireless and wired LAN ports
Free online play
That's why you'd be crazy to get a 360 add on Blu Ray drive! Unless they priced it at like... £50 which is unlikely
I got a 40 GB PS3 with Ninja Gaiden and Drakes for £300. How was that not value for money? I can upgrade the HD without paying inflated prices for it, install a distro I choose and there's no add on crap.
Live on the previous Xbox was a terrible experience for me and much preferred networks like Kai and XBC for online play. Think it was a more mature audience / user base.